Latest draft

August 28th, 2013
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Gov. Neil Abercrombie on Wednesday released the latest draft of a gay marriage bill and invited state lawmakers and interest groups to offer feedback before he decides on a special session.

Read the latest draft here.

9 Responses to “Latest draft”

  1. Kolea:

    Thank you. I heard the Governor's speech today and have to concede he made some good points. Whereas I think the issue has been debated to death already, over the course of nearly 20 years, the Governor wants to ensure there be enough time for everyone to get it their final arguments before the matter is voted upon.

    So good for him for sharing the draft bill which has previously been floating around like samizdat.

    I suppose the Capitol Auditorium can handle one more 20 hour public hearing where we can hear Leviticus selectively quoted, warning us against wearing cotton-polyester blends, not eating shellfish and about the need to stone our neighbor if they do yardwork on the Sabbath.

    I am getting too old for this. But the Guv clearly has more endurance than I do. Though, to be fair, he was in Washington for most of that time as the battle raged here, so he hasn't had to hear as much bigotry on this issue as some of us have endured.

    Lord, give me strength! But, yeah, the Guv is right. Let's talk it out one more time. I'll start drafting my testimony. Oh, wait, I already have testimony left over from the previous 20 public hearings. That's convenient!


  2. Auto de Fe:

    In the entire history of the human race there has never been gay marriage. Not on any continent or island, not in any tribe, kingdom, or republic. Not in any religion or irreligion. Marriage has always been between male and female until the Broken Trust Hawaii Supreme Court took a break from its primary function--facilitating the looting of Bishop Estate--and invented gay marriage out of thin air in 1993. Then they went back to looting for 6 more years until the IRS shut down their racket.


  3. Eric Ryan:

    WOW, the governor is going to let politicians and special interest groups help him decide rather than all the voters, taxpayers and residents of Hawaii. Way to go, Neil. This shows your true radical, government-knows-best colors. Shove this legislation through while the opposition is flat-footed and disorganized. Heil Neil.


  4. Especially Incognito:

    Seems Auto de Fe is not the only old one here.
    "entire history"? I don't think they had computers
    back then.


  5. Kolea:

    Nice to see the tired, weak arguments being recycled by Auto de Fe and Eric.

    Auto, marriage has evolved tremendously over the years. In most societies until recently, "marriages" were not recorded and had little or no legal standing except for the upper classes, where succession or inheritance mattered. Some societies, certainly Hawaii among the alii did recognize special same sex relationships. The Old Testament makes it very clear that wealthy men, if able to support more than one wife, were allowed to do so. But if you want to believe the "Leave it to Beaver" style family from the 50s and 60s is truly the way marriage has always been, I have no reason to disturb your comfort with my historical or anthropological perspective.

    Eric,

    I thought you conservatives had formalized a talking point around the idea the United States is "a republic, not a democracy"? And that a democracy had an inherent tendency towards socialism as the demos always seems to want to take more and more from those with property. Or did I read my Edmund Burke incorrectly? Or did you not read "The Road to Serfdom"?

    Just as the right to property is shielded from majoritarian "tyranny," so too are fundamental rights and the courts have ruled the right to marriage IS a "fundamental right" whose abridgment requires demonstration of a convincing and compelling state interest beyond quotations from Scripture or the fact you may find gay sexuality to be "icky." Surely you can recognize some rights should not be subject to majority rule?


  6. Eric Ryan:

    The only one with predictable talking points seems to be the anonymous and androgynous scaredy cat who goes by "Kolea". The writing is boring and insipid and pedantic. But it probably impresses the hell out of your party friends. Societies set limits all the time. We can't make room for every one of your perversions. Sorry, "Kolea". Now back to your full-time commenting about genitalia.


  7. Kolea:

    OK, Eric. I will put your name on my "ignore" list. Not that I won't respond to some of your posts. But I will stop trying to reason with you. You have demonstrated a complete lack of intellectual integrity in recent days. I guess I had illusions about both your integrity and your intellect.

    My examples of conservative leaders was perfectly legitimate, but you pretended as if they had been chosen at random. I even altered my argument in response to one of your points, by conceding a lot of Republicans had supported the Civil Rights Act (your point), but pointed out they were almost all moderate and liberal Republicans, a fact which brings no credit to conservative Republicans like yourself.

    And just above, I tried to reason with you using what I consider a legitimate conservative argument, differentiating between a "republic" and a "democracy." But rather than recognize even partial legitimacy to my point, you avoid, evade and insult.

    Seriously, Dude. Nobody likes you and you finally find someone who is willing to engage you and you prefer to debase yourself in front of others rather than respond in kind. Silly me. Trying to reason with a rightwing Republican.


  8. Especially Incognito:

    I just love it when two of those
    without breath fight each other.
    So carefree. Queer as in (odd couple).


  9. Eric Ryan:

    Oh no. Kolea the Anonymous Scaredy Cat doesn't like me. Gosh, what am I to do? And Kolea the Anonymous Pussy has been voted Queen/King of the World in order to proclaim who is liked, who is not liked, who is reasonable and who is unreasonable. This should be a front-page story accompanied by a photo of Kolea wearing a burqua. Kolea the longwinded messiah has decreed that it shall be, and so it shall be. Yawn!!


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