SB 438

July 4th, 2014
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Gov. Neil Abercrombie was expecting that state Sen. David Ige might bring up the governor's failed pension tax proposal during their Democratic primary debate Thursday night on PBS Hawaii's "Insights."

Ige had led the fight against the pension tax in the Senate in 2011.

But Abercrombie mentioned that Ige himself had once proposed a pension tax. While the governor did not go into detail, he pointed to SB 438.

Turns out, Ige introduced a bill in 2003 that would have repealed the income tax exemption on pension income.

Ige introduced the bill by request, however, a process often done as a courtesy, and the legislation never got a hearing.

9 Responses to “SB 438”

  1. Auto de Fe:

    The requesting party was probably Neil Abercrombie.


  2. ohiaforest3400:

    Abercrombie comparing a bill introduced "by request" with one that he made a central part of his revenue-generating policy is yet another example of his predilection for prevarication.


  3. OILPAN:

    It's a fact that Sen. Ige introduced the bill in 2003 at a time Hawaii's economy was not spiraling downward due to the great recession. In short, no urgency. Yes, it was introduced by request - who requested it remains a mystery. Any request to introduce a bill can be declined. In this case it was not. Why it was not and why at a time Hawaii's economy was relatively stable also needs an explanation.


  4. Especially Incognito:

    Seniors deserve to retire and not pay
    more than their fair share of taxes.
    Fixed incomes are a test of budgeting
    skills.


  5. Guy:

    Again we see Ige trying to take credit only for the good but not taking responsibility for the bad. The truth is that we have no idea what an Ige administration would get us.


  6. Guy:

    Auto de Fe, that is just dumb. Who DID Ige introduce it for? Lingle?


  7. Especially Incognito:

    "But Abercrombie mentioned that Ige himself had once proposed a pension tax."

    Of course, called a counter action. You find fault with the present pension tax
    and add a suggestion or assumption and approximation on a new pension tax.
    Compromise on using both good proposals and come out with a bi-partisan Bill.


  8. Kolea:

    Governor Abercrombie's argument is weak here. Legislators introduce bills "By Request" or "BR" all the time. Well, less often recently, because the leadership of both chambers have taken steps to reduce the number of bills a legislator can introduce. But there were not such restrictions in 2003.

    Introducing a "BR" bill is no evidence the legislator supports the bill. In fact, if the legislator really supports it, there would be no need to attach the "BR" label on it. In fact, a "BR" sticker on the bill tends to diminish the bill's credibility.

    If I am a senator and someone of importance approaches me, asking me to introduce a bill on their behalf, I might very well tell them, "OK, I will introduce it, but you and your people have to do the legwork for getting the bill a hearing and passed. Because my commitment to you is simply getting the bill introduced. From that point on, it is up to you."

    OTOH, if I really liked the bill, I would introduce it in my own name and work to win over colleagues to co-sponsor the bill, lobby the committee chair to get a hearing. I would expend some energy and political capital. Since Ige does not appear to have done anything beyond introducing a bill and slapping a "BR" sticker on it for all to see, Abercrombie's counter-argument would only carry weight with people who are either low information voters or eager to have a talking point to deflect Ige's effort to remind voter's of Abercrombie's public threat to "roll over" voters who opposed his pension tax plan.


  9. Especially Incognito:

    Another case of kowtow.

    Senator Akaka introduced the Akaka Bill.
    It plays dead. Hannabusa plans CPR.

    Having a hearing and being heard are two
    different things.


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